Lion vs. Tiger

[Silver Prime]

Here I'll just post one more time an clock out, as I stated up top...both can and have killed the other already so by figuring out who would be the usual victors, accumilating who actually won more in the past..it can give you a better ideal of who is the more dominant animal in terms of a 1 on 1 fight...since wiki has given a head start, just about naming 5 or so accounts I'll post how many times the lion has won, to be fair I will state that I do know for the tigers side if in archive form, of tallying up the score cards the tiger has won 30-40 times with viable and creditable links an sources, but this lion archive I came across has more than a 100 seperate accounts.

I put them in chronological order, so when you look to the left of the account you will see { } <--- this sign an a date in it either when the incident happened or when it was recorded, which helps with "not" repeating the same occaision, because a site called jackjacksonj purposely tryed to hide the fact that he only had around 30 accounts and scattered them around repeating accounts more than 100's of times by using different sources to name the same occaision an lable-ing them as if it was a different account ha ha haa, ahh the power of organizing them with chronological order common sense to exploiting a lying bias chump ^_^,

So dont read into it if your intent in not knowing or just dont want to...its only for those who wish to learn, who actually won an should win more often.

An sorry mods an admins if its too much, Pm me or say so, so I can erase it myself...its really no big deal...

{2011}
two teen lions killed a adult male Bengal tiger in an
enclosure.(Video)- Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk
One of the worker’s were on break, an went down the road to a store taking the key’s to the gate an car they usually break up minor scruffle’s with, , when two… 1.5 year old boy cub’s chased around an harrased a adult male bengal tiger, until he colapsed from exaustion,
http://i.imgur.com/rUyZN.jpg
He tried despertaly to protect himself,…
http://i.imgur.com/8zr8Q.jpg
but the two 1.5 year old brother’s showed no mercy, the tiger roared with hurendous moan’s in agony, after on looker’s shouted for the lion’s to stop shortly after one got a hold of his throat an took his life…
http://i.imgur.com/sApCb.jpg
{2008}
Cheongi the lion kills siberian tigress name Hobi jeonju zoo.
An this is Hobi after the incident with cheongi, the not so friendly lion…
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_36355.html
{2008}
The Ramayana and Mahabharata: Abridged
lion kills tiger in Indian woods…
http://books.google.com/books?id=mw...a=X&ei=i7x3UPfIM4znigK2i4HwDw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA
{2007}
~Böhlau Verlag Wien,
Lion kills 2 tigers
http://books.google.com/books?id=Hn...a=X&ei=2XqlUKOaNKn0iwKm2IGADw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA
http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=822602&t=w
{2006}
lion kill’s siberian white tigress in leberic and czech zoo. There was only one bite mark on Isabella’s throat an no other wound’s concluding even though 2 lion’s occupied the same encloser with isbella the tiger, only one lion attacked isabella.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-11-19-Czech-Republic_N.htm
{2004} A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."
~Peoples Daily Online
{2004}
McGraw-Hill, Aug 2, 2004
Annual Editions: Western Civilization, Volume 1, 13/e, Volume 1
Nothing was wasted in the ancient world: not an abandoned baby, not the cloth that kept the ragpicker in business... not even the grains of barley in wonldjvin, parks of hnnnrk always beat herds of deer, bears withstood bulls, and lions usually finished off tigers.
http://books.google.com/books?id=3M...a=X&ei=oByHUIfpEMrhigKu4ID4Ag&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
{2003}
The Anvár-i Suhailí; or, The lights of Canopus
lion kills several tigers
When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death
http://books.google.com/books?id=QB...a=X&ei=vzNIUJL_CpDtiQLn_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
{2003}
Preferred Argument Structure: Grammar As Architecture for Function
edited by John W. Du Bois, Lorraine Edith Kumpf, William J. Ashby
wild lions kills wild tiger
http://books.google.com/books?id=dm...a=X&ei=CfmBUN-uBuTcigK_y4D4BA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{2002}
Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights.”
~Ken Spiro; WorldPerfect
http://books.google.com/books?id=2X...a=X&ei=WW2lUNHfCZCWjAKasoDoAw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{2001}
lions usually finished off tigers. But not even the ferocious charge of the rhinoceros could penetrate the thick hide of the elephant. The afternoon brought more variety
~U.S. News & World Report, Volume 130
http://books.google.com/books?id=h0...a=X&ei=oByHUIfpEMrhigKu4ID4Ag&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{1998}
The Memoirs of Cleopatra
“They took on tigers, bulls, and wild boars. Usually the lion won. page 284” {BOOK}
http://books.google.com/books?id=aM...a=X&ei=MyOLUM_0HsGuigKhg4DAAg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{1993}
A lion defeats a lion on a Inidan video in the 40’s that said Kingof the beast vs king of the Jungle, which gir forest fight does not say that, it says lion and tiger fight 2 spereate videos.
Hang Time: Days And Dreams With Michael Jordan
By Bob Greene
http://books.google.com/books?id=Df...a=X&ei=PejkUMudK4nIiwKPnYGoDw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{1985}
Alan gold’s circus lion kill’s male tigerAlan Gold also had a mixed group. In 1985, a free for all erupted. He lost two lions and one tiger. The lions were killed by other lions. The tiger was killed by a lion. Gold, regarding the way both cats fight, compared to Beatty. He stated lions fight in a calculated way, where as tigers, in a free for all, are nervous and vulnarable. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
{1981}
Martin. L Albert witnessed a lion kill a siberian tiger.
Source: "Clinical aspects of dysphasia", page 36 (Documentary)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigerinafight.jpg
{1980} Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg
{1978}
Kailash sankhala mentions a crazed prince that had a fight with a lion an tiger an the lion killed the tiger
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/boldchamppics057-1.jpg
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/boldchamppics031-2.jpg
{1977}
TIGER; THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw four accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
His book was taken from his original text here…
http://bks4.books.google.de/books?i...ntcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&source=gbs_api
{1976}
Beatty-cole lion’s kill 2 tiger’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg
{1970}
pittsburgh Press lion kill’s male tiger in india.(Video)
{1963}
male lion kills tiger ~ O. Breland, 1963
{1957}
Frankfurt Zoological Gardens,
a free for all erupted at performance of 10 big cats 8 lions an 2 tiger’s the 2 tigers were killed by the lion’s and 2 lions were killed by the remaining 6.
~Guiness records
{1956}
Male tiger killed by a lion (Tri-City Herald, 1956 ~Ava. yuku .com
{1955}
oct, 6 Naturual history society, Page 465-468, 3 separate
accounts lion won all 3.(Documentary)
{1954}
Lion kills tiger with one blow in Boltimore zoo.(Documentary)
{1951}
Clyde beatty lion kills another tiger 1951
http://books.google.com/books?id=Oh...a=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBA
Lioness kills siberian tiger: Happened in a zoo (September 1951. Madras Zoological Gardens).
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/sreply/8061/t/Some-new-accounts-just-for-fun-.html
{1950}
Clyde beatty lion kills tiger 1950
http://books.google.com/books?id=3h...a=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg
{1949}
Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in
an Australian zoo – Documentary.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52688717?searchTerm=
{1949}
in fitchburg a lion kill’s Roger the male siberian tiger in circus act. 500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of "cats," who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act.The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.”
Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949 (New’s article)
{1947}
Clyde beatty 2 lions kill tiger 1947
http://books.google.com/books?id=fi...a=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{1947}
Castle films, native indians trap a lion and tiger in East india having the tiger attack the lion only to be killed by the king of the beast.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ly...a=X&ei=rG6lUOPlLcWEjAKYr4DgCQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=_l...a=X&ei=rG6lUOPlLcWEjAKYr4DgCQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
{1944}
twice sprang upon tigers, killing each one almost instantly 1944
http://books.google.com/books?id=pz...X&ei=MNyeUNOzJsisiAKSkIDQBw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAzgU
{1941}
Clyde beatty’s Lion kills Puna the male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg
{1939}
Clyde beatty 25 tigers were killed by his lions 1939
http://books.google.com/books?id=vN...a=X&ei=fOWeUPS_E8zSigKRu4CQAw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA
{1936}
Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger.
When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
(Local news report)

{1935}
Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus
act.(Documentary)
http://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee/1935-09-16/
{1935}
In the town Bedford, Masachusetts a zoo lost a tiger to a
lion. “A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing a little over a quarter of a ton.”
~Guinness book of animal fact and feat
{1934}
lion kills male tiger Logansport Press, November 15., 1934
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount2.jpg
{1933}
2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion which was made in 1933 te date of 1962 was just the day this article was published-(Video)
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg
{1929}
,lion kills male tiger Syracuse Herald, 1929
http://newspaperarchive.com/syracuse-herald/1929-09-15/page-84/
{1928}
lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount4.jpg
{1925}
Rudolf kludsky had said several lions had killed his tiger’s.Several mean’s more than 4= A few years later, Rudolf Kludsky again decided to train a mixed group (22 animals). Mistake. It took three months to get them used to each other. But they were not yet ready to perform. During one of the first shows, the nervous and inexperienced animals engaged in a free for all. One tiger was killed by a lion. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad263/broekhuijsen/Interactions/Interactions-8.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5n65hqync1r9e7vdo7_1280.jpg
Rudolf Kludsky trains this mixed group of lions and tigers in the stadium or Turin. In the same year each group of species had to be separated as the lions oftentimes attacked the tiger and even killed several specimens.
http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/
{1924}
lion kills tiger "The Jungle behind Bars" by Courtney Ryley Cooper
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount10.jpg
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Jungle_Behind_Bars.html?id=ZyBTHQAACAAJ
{1923}
Jam sahib well respected of 40 year’s of zoology of lion’s and tiger’s in india has wittnessed 3 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s in his book here…
http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg
Also in his summary, when he exploited keshari singh he point’s them out again here…
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg
{1907}
Storia di David Lazzaretti, profeta di Arcidosso
By Filippo Imperiuzzi, Davide Lazzaretti
Lion kills tiger an 6 other beast
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA...ie=ISO-8859-1&ots=l7uQE-uEp2&output=html_text
Tipografia nuova, 1907
{1903}
lion kills tiger ~Coventry Evening Telegraph, 25. of september 1903
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount1.jpg
{1902}
. Lion kills male tiger, Fort Wayne, 1902
,
NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another.

~FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902.
{1899}
Lion kills another tiger source: The Herald
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18991223.2.87
{1897}
The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
http://books.google.com/books?id=j8...a=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA
http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/I...ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg
{1897}
The Century, Volume 53
The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
http://books.google.com/books?id=j8...a=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA
http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/I...ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg
{1897}
Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All
And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
{1896}
Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25
{1896}
.A Lioness slew a male Bengal Tiger ~
Ward, Lock, Bowden, 1896
{1896}
Western Reserve University bulletin, Volume 1 A lion the victor of a fight with a mangled tiger.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jK...X&ei=IZsdULXCF4zFiwLlm4D4Bw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgK
{1882}
~ Antinous: a romance of ancient Rome
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA...d=6zG_SuhbQWcC&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text
{1861}
M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article)
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=0L...&sa=X&ei=iNaNUN_zCun5iwK--IF4&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/828442?searchTerm
{1854}
S. Austin, 1854
Lion kills several tigers
When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death
http://books.google.com/books?id=QB...a=X&ei=vzNIUJL_CpDtiQLn_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
{1851}
In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
~(German new’s atricle)
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.co...-vs-Royal-Bengal-Tiger-valauble-rare-account-
{1834}
Adult male tiger was killed by a male lion , ~F. Jefferies, 1834Yuku animal vs animal
{1834}
Diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger. In verona Rome
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png
{1830}
The vestal; or, A tale of Pompeii ...
~By Thomas Gray
http://books.google.com/books?id=dz...a=X&ei=jQ8PUMuIA4aYiQKlsICYAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=dz...standing+over+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
{1809}
Rome Italy, Lion killing tiger Historical artifact 17th-18th century...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149_b2c00365d3.jpg
http://www.galerieheim.fr/oeuvre-details3.php?id_oeuvre=116&lng=2
This ^ Exhibition was organized by the Napoleonic authorities in the Capitol in Rome.

^Born in Bohemia, Johan Wenzel Peter made his artistic career in Rome. There, he became the most popular animalist painter of his time. In the villa Borghese he painted frescoes of over 160 animals and participated in the decoration of Palazzo Chigi and Palazzo Altieri. At the beginning of the XIXth century, Peter enjoyed an international fame. After his death, pope Gregory XVI purchased eleven works still in his workshop, among which was the monumental Garden of Eden (Vatican Museums
{1765}
St jerome’s lion defeats tiger…
http://books.google.com/books?id=4I...a=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw
{1680}
http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/I...ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg
~Carl Borromäus Andreas Ruthart
Died in Rome L’Aqulia
Born the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, Carl Borromäus Andreas Ruthart travelled to Italy very early on. His trace can be found in Rome and Venice between 1652 and 1659. After finishing his apprenticeship, he came to work in Antwerp in order to perfect his knowledge.
After going into the Church, he continued to paint a great number of profane subjects threw life held experinces such as extensive hunting scenes or animals fighting. It was only late in life, after retiring to a convent in the Abruzzo region, that Ruthart dedicated himself to celebrating the life of hermits and saints at prayer
{1670}
Lion defeating tiger in combat Royal Emperyium of Rome...
Copper engraving by the well listed Italian artist Pietro Aquila (1650-1692 Rome).
http://www.empyraeum-antiquaria.de/ebay/graf/2609_11/2609_5_1.jpg
{1656}
Museums and Their Development: The European Tradition, 1700-1900, Volume 3
A lion killed a tiger who came to near to saint jerome
http://books.google.com/books?id=4I...a=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw
{393 B.C}
Latin artifact of a lion that killed a tiger
http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/F1431805/F1431805101.jpg
Phaedrus (Greek: É>=Éø?ɬɜÉÕV), (c. 444 BC – 393 BC), an Athenian aristocrat depicted prominently in Plato's dialogues
{564 B.C}
http://books.google.com/books?id=-G...PY9VSg&edge=0&edge=stretch&ci=156,105,680,511
A TIGER roaming for his prey,
Sprang on a traveller in the way;
A lion came to claim the prize
And soon the greedy tiger dies.
The man then knelt, his life to crave;
His life the lion hero gave,
And him bespoke,—" You saw the fight
And must confess my power and might,
Within these woods I reign alone,
All other beasts my sway must own."
"True," said the man, "the strength 1 saw, All kinds of beasts full well might awe,
~Aesop (pronounced /?i¢?s?p/ EE-sop, Ancient Greek: Éü?ɖÉ÷<pi>ÉÕV, Aisÿpos, c. 620–564 BC)
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So by score cards it looks like...

Tigers won= 40 times
Lions won=150 times

If you read them all, (which you dont have to), you should have comprehend that theres around 70 links, but some have multiple accounts which if tallyed its around 150 alltogether like Clyde beatty, Alan gold, Dave hoover an so on have all lost multiple tigers to lions which are stated in the article. So upoun factual data of historical documentaion from 2011 being the last incident all the way to Bc times of the Roman arena blood matchs of the venatios, as of right now... it would seem lions have won threw out history kinda alot more, more of almost winning 4x more.

 

[Childs]

There is a site that sums this stuff up.

http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict.html

Winner, the bear! Normally the bears you see in the circus are not the bigger ones, but either young, old, or females. Lions do seem to have an advantage over Tigers. The mane apparently neutralizes the Tigers finishing blow. And I think male lions are mainly around to fight other male lions. Tigers are more solitary, and really just hunt.

lol Apparently there is a forum dedicated to this stuff:

http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com

 

[Silver Prime]

There is a site that sums this stuff up.

http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict.html

Winner, the bear! Normally the bears you see in the circus are not the bigger ones, but either young, old, or females. Lions do seem to have an advantage over Tigers. The mane apparently neutralizes the Tigers finishing blow. And I think male lions are mainly around to fight other male lions. Tigers are more solitary, and really just hunt.

lol Apparently there is a forum dedicated to this stuff:

http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com

I geuss I have time for one last post ^_^

Cool bro! Lair web is a good source an animal vs animal "once" was a good site, until they abandoned credabilty over bias intentions. The only one there that is deemed anything creditable for the "tiger" was the member named Peter, thats about it. The rest have been proven to be nothing but silly fanatics who twist data for hilarious ambitions, each rely on the other to cover up lies when there root source has already been exploited
(with the proof).

But as for lairweb stating that bears take big cats they are limited to sources via accounts to prove that, in terms as for specifically lions vs brown and white bears, there is a limit also, which for bears there is only 3 historical documentations.

#1 Is the goldminers of california of a grizlly bear that killed a circus lion.
#2 Velox the polar bear who killed 2 african lions.
#3 A black bear that killed a lion.

Thats ^ only three occaisions hardly the overall answer in terms of recorded historical significance. But for the lion, you have these 15...

Lion kill’s bear’s
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1.1902 lion named roosevlet killed peary the polar bear.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-CIWrL1-cEGk/T...KRGCnZZgKE/le%C3%B3n%20vs%20oso%20blanco.j pg
2. lion named brutus kills polar bear.
[http://lh3.ggpht.com/-nNkI_hEYI3E/TtlLoqCWU2I/AAAAAAAABCQ/unl46hTE2K8/s800/BRUTUS.jpg
http://www.cincinnativiews.net/images/Lion-Brutus-3.jpg
http://www.cincinnativiews.net/images/Polar Bear-1.jpg
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3. lion kills polar bear 1955 By Alfred Court.[Book]Pages 131-132,
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4. lion kills polar bear Louis Roth, forty years with jungle killers, [Book]
page 204-205.
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5.1893 Pezon in limoges, Leo the lion maul’s polar bear
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6.Boltimore the lion kills russian grizzley
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg265/scaled.php?server=265&filename=sdffti0.jpg&res=landing
7. Lion stale mate’s enormous grizzley bear
THE OAKLAND TRIBUNE APRIL 1, 1895 "A DRAW" PARNELL FIGHTS A BIG BEAR.
THE LOS ANGELES TIMES APRIL 2, 1895 "BRUIN THROWS LEO

At 4 P.M. yesterday, in the bull ring at New Laredo, Mexico, the African lion Parnell fought a terrible battle with an enormous grizzly bear of the American type. The attendance was large. The animals fought desperately for two rounds until completely exhausted, but contrary to expectation, neither was killed. It was a bloody combat.
The crowd went wild when twice the American grizzly threw his African opponent and erstwhile king of beasts, so hard upon the ground that once, had time been called according to the usual rules, the lion would have been counted out
Throughout the battle the lion showed more agility and treachery.
Parnell is owned by Colonel F. Daniel Boone, the lion tamer, and is the beast that killed its keeper at the Midwinter Fair.
The bear is somewhat larger and heavier than the lion, and was secured at New Orleans where he killed two keepers.
It is the first time on record that such a combat has taken place. Mr Zarcombe, editor of the Laredo Times, was fortunate enough to secure four excellent instantaneous photographs of the battle. The fight took place in a large circular steel cage twenty feet in diameter and fifteen feet in height.
No more thrilling spectacle was ever witnessed than the spring made by the lion as he bounded into the cage, with a magnificent leap fully fifteen feet, and grappled with his antagonist.
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8. Lion kills bruin the grizzly bear
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10.
lion kills tiger and bear Source (full fight): http://paperspast.natlib....=d&d=TH18991223.2.87
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11. Lioness kills atlas bear in the roman arena
http://books.google.com/books?id=nh...a=X&ei=xHkGUMzXDuil2AXP1_DDBQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ
12.lion strangle’s an kills 1 out of 7 bears
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13. lion kills 2 leopards an fights bear
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http://newspaperarchive.com/logansport-journal/1893-09-27/
14. lion killing bear Tapestry 16th century
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15.

Liokos is not allowed to retire into his cage this time, further infuriating him. The final match is now on between him and the heavily favored bear named Shardik. Diana bets against Shardik hoping that he will be killed. She despises Senator Palladius for making a gift of him to her. The bastard has hated her ever since she ignored his amorous advances during the Saturnalia festivities a couple of months ago. She hopes that the senator loses heavily on this bout. She has learned from her spies that he has bet heavily on Shardik. She has sent her agents around the city to find out what animal the senator is terrified of in order to give him that as gift in return.

Shardik enters the arena and the two animals cautiously eye each other at a distance. Liokos begins his attack by crawling very close to the ground, appearing to be as small as possible to his opponent. Liokos charges him without any further hesitation. Shardik gets a paw up in time to prevent Liokos from getting him by the neck. This has just cost him his paw and part of his foreleg now ripped to shreds. He falls backward with the lion falling on top of him and going to town with his lower claws on the hapless bear's belly. The bear tries desperately to kick him off with his three remaining limbs but by now Liokos has him by the throat and quickly dispatches him with a violent shake of his great maned head. The crowd explodes into applause.

The winner of the Venationes is Liokos the lion, owned by Arminius Reccanellus. The only ones happier than him are the bookies who took in millions of cesterces on the favorite Shardik...and of course Diana who has finally gotten rid of the hated Shardik
Humbly submitted from the stands
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So in terms of who has killed the other more, it leans upoun the lion I would say slightly, this isint conclusive in any way...but atleast shows that the lion can hold his ground with the biggest an baddest, the bear speices. Being larger will give the bear a leverage, but concur to remind you, in the wild lions can and have taken down animals 10-20 times the weight and power of the bear...like hippos, rhinos and elephants in rare cases...yes threw unity of course, but there are rare events where lions did it solo... so a bear 1,000 pounds via R...H...E all 5,000 pounds an up elimates minor weight factors the bear has, in other words it will come down to who gets there first.

But no dought a huge bear brown or white bear will be the lions biggest test...maybe in more research an accounts a verdict can be made, other than right now, the score cards looks as if its...

Stale mates=2
Bear wins=3
Lion wins=13

 

[Juddog]

Basically you listed almost exclusively only lion victories and ignore the tiger ones; way to cherrypick data! There are a ton of videos on youtube of tigers beating the crap out of lions, which you chose to ignore. If you're going to go through historical analysis, then show both sides. You sound like one of the retards from the comic book battle forums, the same type of idiot who claims that Batman can beat Goku with enough prep time.

 

[blackdogdeek]

This thread needs more references.

 

[mikegg]

It'll never happen but damn, I'd pay to see a prime lion fight a prime Bengal tiger.

 

[ibex333]

A large male siberian tiger would have even a couple hundred pounds on a large male lion. My bet goes to the tiger.

A SIBERIAN TIGER? There's hardly any left in the wild at all anymore thanks to the Chinese... Like time I heard it was around 50 or 20... And that was like 10 years ago.

EDIT: Never mind. It's much worse than I thought.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/07/siberian-tiger-population_n_829348.html

 

[Juddog]

I looked around online and apparently this Silver Prime is a mega-troll; he goes around copy / pasting his responses to every lion / tiger debate thread on various messageboards, cherry-picks data to the extreme, and when someone posts a video of a tiger tearing up a lion he goes into a rage about it.

 

[bigrash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob_oD1IsYbE

yeah, 4000 pound walrus is some pussy fish

mommy, why is that polar bear so red?

 

[Silver Prime]

I looked around online and apparently this Silver Prime is a mega-troll; he goes around copy / pasting his responses to every lion / tiger debate thread on various messageboards, cherry-picks data to the extreme, and when someone posts a video of a tiger tearing up a lion he goes into a rage about it.

Nah mate, I wouldent say I went to every single one, type in lion vs tiger [Archive]...theres like 200 lion vs tiger threads out there...I merely posted in several, no more than 10...merely because I wanted to gather creditable information...thats what you do when it takes to find credability...you look... with 200 different threads I'd say I cant be wrong that this isint a popular topic, now cant I?

An what would that mean to you anyway? You dont know the reason why I went off on anyone, you dident see jackjacksonj site, an you really cant comprehend much, I stated I know 40 accounts of tigers winning
(you know more? Than show them) I was just comparing who had won more threw out history ( I can show the tigers links in a bit too)...but why bring up videos? There isint a single video of a tiger "Killing" a lion now is there? Other than miss-leading titles, I dident see anything extravagant than the videos of lions beating up tigers too...since I goton the accounts out of the way...you wanna compare videos an explian to me, how a tiger punking a not prime lion is suppose to be more creditable, than a historical document that says a lion "killed" a prime tiger?

As for videos, I hope your not going to tell me you can accumilate,
(With head count) of tigers chasing off lions more than I can of lions chasing off tigers, because none of the videos I saw show any real superioty other than something like what you'd spew out...which I could claim the same of every tiger minor scruffle win on tape, like the lion was female, or the lion wasent full grown, or the lion was sick or out-numberd...sounds familar?

I'm actually done rage-ing especially to people I first meet...I think I humbled down already, so if you wanna compare, than game on bud...its no biggie, just trying to learn the facts.

 

[tcG]

According to several sources listed on the lion vs. tiger debate wiki, tigers have historically beaten lions. I'm sure you can cherry pick examples from both sides. I'm not informed enough to have a full picture of the issue.

It seems to me that Siberian tigers are bigger, stronger, and FASTER than African lions. Tigers seem to have bigger muscles... lions are more lean and lanky.

 

[MixMasterTang]

I think there are too many variables that effect outcome to where it's almost impossible to pick a clear winner.

Size / Strength / Sex /Age are major factors but so are what health the animal is in, was it raised in the wild or in a zoo, has it been trained before (this brings me to the fight between the lion and bear with the circus trainer) - how aggressive it is? Does it even know it's in a fight? Is it hungry and wants to kill, does it have anything to protect?

 

[RaistlinZ]

How about Tiger/Lion vs. an angry Tibetan Mastiff?

Look at the size of the freaking chain that's holding it!

 

[MixMasterTang]

Also for what it's worth a Jaguar has a stronger bite: 4. Jaguar (1,350 psi)

Are you surprised to find the jaguar listed here at No. 4, beating out lions and tigers when it comes to biting power? It&#8217;s no mistake. Jaguars have a more powerful bite than any other cat on the planet, and the second most powerful bite of all
mammals. Do you remember when we described the way lions and other cats take down their prey by using their jaws to crush their victims&#8217; throats and suffocate them to death? Jaguars aren&#8217;t that subtle. Their jaws are powerful enough to deliver a deadly bite that punctures skull and brain, which is exactly how jaguars kill. They even sometimes feast on turtles, because jaguars enjoy the rare ability to be able to bust through a turtle&#8217;s thick shell with their mighty chops. They may not be the biggest, strongest or deadliest killers in the felid family, but when it comes to biting, jaguars take the cake.

 

[SandEagle]

tiger upper cut

 

[MixMasterTang]

But as pointed out in here: http://www.smoothharold.com/who-would-win-in-a-fight-lion-tiger-or-bear/ Bengal tigers are better hunters / fighters than Siberian tigers even though they are smaller.

 

[Childs]

But no dought a huge bear brown or white bear will be the lions biggest test...maybe in more research an accounts a verdict can be made, other than right now, the score cards looks as if its...

Stale mates=2
Bear wins=3
Lion wins=13

I need specs on the actual animals involved. Just saying a lion beat a bear doesnt mean much. I've seen a buffalo kill a male lion, and the top end grizzly bear weighs just as much as the largest buffalo with much more killing power. Who knows what kind of bears they had in those circuses. But pound for pound, the cats are probably tougher. This doesnt help my case, but this lion did beat this bear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmjwvPVnzUo

:biggrin:

 

[Silver Prime]

According to several sources listed on the lion vs. tiger debate wiki, tigers have historically beaten lions. I'm sure you can cherry pick examples from both sides. I'm not informed enough to have a full picture of the issue.

It seems to me that Siberian tigers are bigger, stronger, and FASTER than African lions. Tigers seem to have bigger muscles... lions are more lean and lanky.

Actually, thats another reason why I put the data together...you just said it...wiki basically cherry picked, but dont let that*full you with 30 or so refferences, they hardly cater to why a tiger would win, let alone it merely pointed out no more than 5 deaths, it dident say that tigers won more, it just took a mans story that he thinks they bet on the tiger, thats not the same as a historical document of a tiger killing a lion.

Weights of wiki, dident show anything remotely true, its reffernces of weights doesent point out heavy lions just the average, yet it gives weights of the biggest tigers an they dont do any justice because by confirmed weights...you know...from people who actually weighed them? The numbers for both in the wild have them "both" averaging at 420 pounds an both can hit the 900 pound range...but why bother naming a 900 pound lion? It would then be as if your saying a 1,000 pound human can beat up a 600 pound human because the 1,000 pound human outweighs the 600 pounder by 400 pounds.

As of history showing who won more, if you'd like we can compare what cultures actually documented who won more....more. Its simple, I showed 150...wiki showed 5, care to tell me how is that tigers won more? But of course there are other catagories besides documents that has been the only means of proof, you also have historical artifacts, an what I know of the tiger winning is only 6, while the lion a little into the 70's thats a huge significance, an they are from basically every culture in the world that had them indigedous or imported...I dont mind if you liked to compre them?

 

[Silver Prime]

Also for what it's worth a Jaguar has a stronger bite: 4. Jaguar (1,350 psi)

Are you surprised to find the jaguar listed here at No. 4, beating out lions and tigers when it comes to biting power? It’s no mistake. Jaguars have a more powerful bite than any other cat on the planet, and the second most powerful bite of all
mammals. Do you remember when we described the way lions and other cats take down their prey by using their jaws to crush their victims’ throats and suffocate them to death? Jaguars aren’t that subtle. Their jaws are powerful enough to deliver a deadly bite that punctures skull and brain, which is exactly how jaguars kill. They even sometimes feast on turtles, because jaguars enjoy the rare ability to be able to bust through a turtle’s thick shell with their mighty chops. They may not be the biggest, strongest or deadliest killers in the felid family, but when it comes to biting, jaguars take the cake.

Indeed, though...hippos an crocs have around a 4x harder bite than a Jaguar, an lions still managed to bring them down occaisionally. A hyena can rival a Jaguars bite, yet this kinda thing still happens...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCxL3GHTIA

Multiple hyenas^via wild...ergo instantly.

An as for bite pressure, in the past they only went by skeletons an bone size/density, an by scientist an zoologist studying what they eat...it is merely opinionated, the year it was properly documented with a means of psi of Newtons tested on a machine was done in 2006, by Dr braddy bar....other than him which he has a show on it, showing all the assumptions of scientist were ill-ly way off on the charts...he only did a female teen which clocked in at 600 pounds no older than 1.5 years old, a adult would double that an a adult male I dont think will have any trouble tripleing that. But as for jaguars craking open turtles, thats something a lion cub can do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2sMZa9KWBo

I dont think this is in the wild, but Jaguar in conflicts with each other rarly go to death an it seems inter-specie conflicts they are just as submissive as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_KuJXZFmm0

I dont think a male lion would be as leanient as that, nor do I think who scale attribute-ing favors the jaguar against even a female lion.

I think there are too many variables that effect outcome to where it's almost impossible to pick a clear winner.

Size / Strength / Sex /Age are major factors but so are what health the animal is in, was it raised in the wild or in a zoo, has it been trained before (this brings me to the fight between the lion and bear with the circus trainer) - how aggressive it is? Does it even know it's in a fight? Is it hungry and wants to kill, does it have anything to protect?

I can some what agree with that, its close, an in magnitude of how little accounts there actualy are in terms of a clear cut winnier, but I think with a little more accounts there can be, if indeed I find more for the tiger winning (death accounts) it should bring it more so back into 50/50, but if I find more of the lion winning then it just might be conclusive that the lion is the supeior fighter in a 1 on 1 bout...but there is one thing certain thats only by a hypothetical situation, ultimately the lion takes the crown via=Prides, nature dosent really compliment or cares for a fair kill, it goes by only the strong survives.

Originally Posted by Childs
I need specs on the actual animals involved. Just saying a lion beat a bear doesnt mean much. I've seen a buffalo kill a male lion, and the top end grizzly bear weighs just as much as the largest buffalo with much more killing power. Who knows what kind of bears they had in those circuses. But pound for pound, the cats are probably tougher. This doesnt help my case, but this lion did beat this bear...

As I stated its not conclusive, its just going to show, a lion can kill a grizzley an or polar bear and is documented more times then vice versa. A buffalo can kill a lion is a no brainer, they would kill a bear too probably more easly, hes less nimble to avoid any direct hits. An there is no actual weighed brown bear that weighed pass 1,500 pounds, most are just assumptions for instance, one of the heavy weights such as Goliath the 2,000 pound bear or bart the 1,500 pound bear have all been assumptions an estimates...they average by zoologist weighing them 400-600 pounds...800 as pretty big and the only confirmed weighed weight documented was in yellow stone a 1,180 pound bear...with a mill scale, being most sites say weighed just are giving there opinion or they would have gaven specfic details in what type of scales they used like Bar scale, mill scale, arbiter scale, sand scale...none of them have had that...an as for captive bears its still quite hard to get them overly big or obese...youtube has a obese 1,275 pounder an he dosent even look mobile.

Its hard to juncture what is creditable especially when animal vs animal the slightest hint of bias implimations can get you to belive the most out-landish un-comfirmed storys out there. Only confirmed weights are approved by licensed zoologist. Not a secoundary web site on the internet.

Thats 65 adult male bears weighed ^ with averaging 192 kg, its rare for a brown bear grizzley or kodiak to topple into the 1,000 pound ranges just as rare as you'll find a 900 pound lion. 800 pound grizzleys would be as common as a 600 pound wild lion=Rare they both more or less average in the 400-500 pound range.

As for Buffalos, they average bears max weights actually, an can jet pass 3,000 pounds as quite the common.

 

[uclaLabrat]

The better question is, how many ridgebacks would it take to corner a tiger? How about a polar bear?

 

[Silver Prime]

The better question is, how many ridgebacks would it take to corner a tiger? How about a polar bear?

Dogs eh? Anything in a pack of 2-10 can take down a solitary predator if indeed the huntee has the mind set an experince.

Look at these, although for films, evidently they are "not" playing around, there is intent in shedding blood, an dogs can hold ground with the heavy hitters in the right situation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnrgZtcZSp4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIcyB-6nkZo

The same way it is well documented that dholes have killed tigers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIcyB-6nkZo

The same with african wild dogs have rare accounts of killing lions, a boer boel killed a teen male lion in africa, ridge backs have been known too but of course in packs... just the same way a pack of wolves can take down a bear.
Anything with the right numbers can over take the top predators exaughstion is the main problem, hence lions can take out elephants via unity.

 

[Childs]

Its hard to juncture what is creditable especially when animal vs animal the slightest hint of bias implimations can get you to belive the most out-landish un-comfirmed storys out there. Only confirmed weights are approved by licensed zoologist. Not a secoundary web site on the internet.

Thats 65 adult male bears weighed ^ with averaging 192 kg, its rare for a brown bear grizzley or kodiak to topple into the 1,000 pound ranges just as rare as you'll find a 900 pound lion. 800 pound grizzleys would be as common as a 600 pound wild lion=Rare they both more or less average in the 400-500 pound range.

As for Buffalos, they average bears max weights actually, an can jet pass 3,000 pounds as quite the common.

It depends on the bear. In Alaska its not uncommon for the mean mass to be 389kg. Kodiaks 312kg. Adult African Lions are say 250kg on the high end. The largest on record is 313kg. Brown bears seem to get smaller the closer you get towards the equator, so thats why I want stats on the bear in question, as well as the lion. Just like the mane of a lion would help it defend against a tigers attack, the heft of the bear matters.

http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-439-01-0001.pdf

And a Lion vs bull, just because. I think if I had Bill Gates money, I would have an arena just to answer these questions. Heck, even Hobo vs Bum. Mormon vs Jehova's Witness.

 

[Silver Prime]

It depends on the bear. In Alaska its not uncommon for the mean mass to be 389kg. Kodiaks 312kg. Adult African Lions are say 250kg on the high end. The largest on record is 313kg. Brown bears seem to get smaller the closer 'he equator, so thats why I want stats on the bear in question, as well as the lion. Just like the mane of a lion would help it defend against a tigers attack, the heft of the bear matters.

http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-439-01-0001.pdf

And a Lion vs bull, just because. I think if I had Bill Gates money, I would have an arena just to answer these questions. Heck, even Hobo vs Bum. Mormon vs Jehova's Witness.

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Wow, very cool man I have to review these... yeah mines I have couples with a few other sources range from a total of 200-400 bears weighed, like the 65 I just showed you...but still it isint conclusive, we have to add them all together, an the divide them by the amount of bears weighed to get the average number bears weigh...that will be a challange but fun.

But for lions, it will be probably the hardest to determine, they live in different amounts of numbers in there prides so there weights wont be consistant, take a bear an tiger for example, there kill will be consumed only by them, a lion must feed to a pride of 8-30, so ranges will be all over the place an its no garentee that every lion will get the same distribution of weights due to pecking orders of who eats first or in case, at all...this is the common confusion in comparing lions and tigers. But captivity helps by showing that by eliminating food distributional propertys, thats why captive lions tend to be bigger because they now are beeing fed in a consistancy of the tiger an bear.

But in any case lions can get huge too an topple the 400 kg ranges too.
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/559/The-800-900-pound-lions-crew

Again they get bigger in captivity mainly because of solitary feeding.

Edit: As for the bull vs lion, I wish no harm on any animal intentionally, I speak only hypothetical in terms of if it were in the wild. I wouldent do that...there is a substantial enough records to show that the bull is superior to bears lions and tigers in terms of a pit fight.
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/557/Fighting-Bull-vs-Any-Predator

Editx2: Wow man, I reviewed some of it...no kidding by this census it might show bears can very well average 600 pounds flat...thats very impressive...I havent added them to my census or did any real calculating, but I think 600 could be the put togther avergae of around that much bears...I think thats about right being again most adult brown bears got no bigger than 400 pounds an so I can gesture its still a fair match up, the bear would need that type of weight to get passed the lions superior fighting skills along with durability of the lions mane, will still be a trump card.

 

[Silver Prime]

But if you stack up prime specimens, not just the biggest ones you can find, which again a prime 620 pound pride ruler lion would mop the floors with a 900 pound fat obese lion, a prime 805 pound fit bear would demolish a 1,300 pound fat slow obese bear, a prime 650 pound tiger would smash a 1,000 pound obese tiger...the same way a prime 280 pound human would have his way beating up a 800 pound obese human.

These type of healthy status in terms of size and groomation/higineal health, are good stack ups an is a fair pictorial view of how a prime representive of there species should look like...

Not the captivity part but there build physic's, in terms of Prime statuses.

Again as for the lion, he has a trump card, his mane, a group of amatuer scientist had tryed an conducting a test if the mane aids the males in a fight...they set up dummie manican lions to see if wild lions would go for a throat bite...it failed.

#1 They were manicans, via werent a real animal=no movement=no throat bite.

#2 Lions have manes so they are familar with its concept, unless a skunk dosent know he has a oder glands, or cobra dosent know he has a poison spit, or a porkipine dosent know that his quills are made for protection...lions know what there manes are for thats why in fights, 80% of the time lions target only the exposed areas.

In other words, if you were fighting a man in a iron suit covering only his upper body, would you strike the upper body or go for the exposed legs? Its no different when a bull lowers his head when a rival buffalo charges twards him, not only for offensively strikeing but to protect its head from shock impact. Other animals know very little of its concept, it has already proven to be made for battle by other speices who never knew its function...the same way if a dog attacks porcupine, they usually get the quills...replicated when tigers (because tigers dont know its for protection=because they dont have manes they have stripes) attacked the lions mane (with more than 10 video evidential proof) that attempts to grab the lions throat led to only being able to grab mouth fulls of hair in multiple attempts...more than enough time for a lion to come out with a counter plan.

So if you'd insist in having a bear that is 100-400 pounds hevier than the lion, than I would only see it fair to have a battle mane lion, where the mane covers 70% of his body.

Which would have the the manes function an leverage in-coperate 3 main things.

#1 It will to a degree offer protection similar to why boxers ware head gear in training, which decreases the punching oponents out-put power,or like a warrior who wares a helmet in combat, it will slighlty reduce the risks of sharp objects cutting the head area.

#2 It will intimidate the oponent in thinking hes fighting a much bigger foe, lowering confidence an willpower.


#3 It can make the bear, tiger or other lion, miss-judge the distance it takes to get to the throat in high pace movements, catching only air or hair.

#4 When the enemy does get mouth fulls of hair, being very dense and thick some being recored at 2-3 feet long, the mane can also suphocate the tiger if he gets to much in his mouth while attempting for a throat, or head bite...which will force them to let go in order to breath.

The mane, wasent only for mating rights, nor just a symbolic cultural idlelization, but for protecting him in combat.

 

[Silver Prime]

It depends on the bear. In Alaska its not uncommon for the mean mass to be 389kg. Kodiaks 312kg. Adult African Lions are say 250kg on the high end. The largest on record is 313kg. Brown bears seem to get smaller the closer you get towards the equator, so thats why I want stats on the bear in question, as well as the lion. Just like the mane of a lion would help it defend against a tigers attack, the heft of the bear matters.

http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-439-01-0001.pdf

And a Lion vs bull, just because. I think if I had Bill Gates money, I would have an arena just to answer these questions. Heck, even Hobo vs Bum. Mormon vs Jehova's Witness.

Hey thanks again, I used the bears weight source to track down lions an tigers weights from that acadamy, it seems I got to see hewits biggest tiger caught finally, his biggest Indian tiger shot and weighed in 1938 was only was 258 kg=567 pounds. I thought it would have been in the atleast 700s sunquist stated his biggest tiger was just shy 600 pounds too, but averaged only 400 pounds he also stated that most weights of 600-700 an up were of made up estimates to please royal hunters or some high leige... An that same source mentions the biggest ussrian tiger was 306 kg =678 pounds, thats a bit shocking from baudy, because I rememeber someone said his tigers averaged that much lol, that was actually his biggest.

An I dident know that the 180-225 kg lions weighed were only 2-4 years old either lol it could be sparsed, but for certain the 272 kg lion 598 was a adult after all it was hevier than hewitts biggest bengal, which that lion would have around what is it 21 or 31 pounds or something?

Glad I got to see it my self, this is dissapointing but intresting.